about manicuring

[BklynTom]

Why?
Is it just for appearance?
Won't the stuff I'm cutting cure into usable substance?

Can someone post a link that shows before and after - I don't want to cut
too much.

Thanks
Tom

[T.D. Shadow]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:47:00 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
wrote:

>Why?

That's a BIG question. Read the link at the end of this post.

>Is it just for appearance?

No.

>Won't the stuff I'm cutting cure into usable substance?

Yes, but it will be of a lesser quality.

It's best to make three piles.

a. Large leaves, and very obvoius "get rid of it" trims. Use this for
hash making, oil extraction, or for cooking. It is the smoke of last
resort as-is.

b. Manicure trims. This is pretty good shake. It will be about as
potent as cheap bagweed, but it'll do in a pinch if you are running
low, or a mootcher comes over to "hit and run". Cure and store as you
would your bud.

c. Tightly manicured bud. The more "non-frosted" plant material you
cut, the better the overall smoke will be in the long run (and the
bigger your "b" pile!)

Cure for a minimum of a month. Three months is better.

Also, if you can afford to do it, vacuum seal 10% to 50% of your
harvest (depending on your harvest size, and how much you smoke) and
store it in a very dark, and very cool place (Wine cellar,
refrigerator, basement) for a YEAR. I prefer cool storage to COLD
(below freezing) storage, because at freezing all cell activity STOPS.
With cool storage, it slows down - but continues to cure.

There is debate as to whether or not it gains, loses, or maintains
potentcy after that length of time - but no one argues that the smell
and taste improves greatly. I look at it this way, if it's killer
genetics, it can afford a small drop and still be killer weed.

>Can someone post a link that shows before and after - I don't want to cut
>too much.

http://www.overgrow.com/iss1/manicure.html


- T.D.
Improving with age.

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[T.D. Shadow]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:47:00 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
wrote:

>Why?

That's a BIG question. Read the link at the end of this post.

>Is it just for appearance?

No.

>Won't the stuff I'm cutting cure into usable substance?

Yes, but it will be of a lesser quality.

It's best to make three piles.

a. Large leaves, and very obvoius "get rid of it" trims. Use this for
hash making, oil extraction, or for cooking. It is the smoke of last
resort as-is.

b. Manicure trims. This is pretty good shake. It will be about as
potent as cheap bagweed, but it'll do in a pinch if you are running
low, or a mootcher comes over to "hit and run". Cure and store as you
would your bud.

c. Tightly manicured bud. The more "non-frosted" plant material you
cut, the better the overall smoke will be in the long run (and the
bigger your "b" pile!)

Cure for a minimum of a month. Three months is better.

Also, if you can afford to do it, vacuum seal 10% to 50% of your
harvest (depending on your harvest size, and how much you smoke) and
store it in a very dark, and very cool place (Wine cellar,
refrigerator, basement) for a YEAR. I prefer cool storage to COLD
(below freezing) storage, because at freezing all cell activity STOPS.
With cool storage, it slows down - but continues to cure.

There is debate as to whether or not it gains, loses, or maintains
potentcy after that length of time - but no one argues that the smell
and taste improves greatly. I look at it this way, if it's killer
genetics, it can afford a small drop and still be killer weed.

>Can someone post a link that shows before and after - I don't want to cut
>too much.

http://www.overgrow.com/iss1/manicure.html


- T.D.
Improving with age.

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Theodore David Shadow <tdshadow@onelink.net>

[Offot]

"BklynTom"> Why?
> Is it just for appearance?
> Won't the stuff I'm cutting cure into usable substance?
>
> Can someone post a link that shows before and after - I don't want to cut
> too much.

Don´t really know what You exactly mean. Maybe it´s topping ?

Offot

[Offot]

"BklynTom"> Why?
> Is it just for appearance?
> Won't the stuff I'm cutting cure into usable substance?
>
> Can someone post a link that shows before and after - I don't want to cut
> too much.

Don´t really know what You exactly mean. Maybe it´s topping ?

Offot

[BklynTom]

much obliged

Tom

[BklynTom]

much obliged

Tom

[Charlie Wilkes]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:13:57 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
wrote:

>much obliged
>
>Tom
>
If you don't want to wait a year for that first, deliciously cured
toke, you can put your fresh-cut weed in a paper bag in a warm room
and it will be ready in about two weeks.

Charlie

[Charlie Wilkes]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:13:57 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
wrote:

>much obliged
>
>Tom
>
If you don't want to wait a year for that first, deliciously cured
toke, you can put your fresh-cut weed in a paper bag in a warm room
and it will be ready in about two weeks.

Charlie

[Moon Doggie]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:50:58 GMT, Charlie Wilkes
<charlie_wilkes@easynews.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:13:57 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
>wrote:
>
>>much obliged
>>
>>Tom
>>
>If you don't want to wait a year for that first, deliciously cured
>toke, you can put your fresh-cut weed in a paper bag in a warm room
>and it will be ready in about two weeks.
>
>Charlie
>

Heat is the enemy of pot. Two weeks in the fridge will be fine, as
long as you take it out twice a day and open it up to the fresh air
for a few minutes, to allow accumulated gases to escape..

Keep on truckin'
- Moon Doggie -

IMPORTANT:

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[Moon Doggie]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:50:58 GMT, Charlie Wilkes
<charlie_wilkes@easynews.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:13:57 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
>wrote:
>
>>much obliged
>>
>>Tom
>>
>If you don't want to wait a year for that first, deliciously cured
>toke, you can put your fresh-cut weed in a paper bag in a warm room
>and it will be ready in about two weeks.
>
>Charlie
>

Heat is the enemy of pot. Two weeks in the fridge will be fine, as
long as you take it out twice a day and open it up to the fresh air
for a few minutes, to allow accumulated gases to escape..

Keep on truckin'
- Moon Doggie -

IMPORTANT:

Are you new to adpc? Get some freedom from Usenet junk posts in adpc, and see if YOUR
posts are being kill filtered as junk! Read the adpcFreedom FAQ at
http://www.angelfire.com/clone/cacher/freedom/adpcFreedomFAQ.htm

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[rubio]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:45:44 GMT in
<1nhssvomlh8575dlelul805d08qu5efdfi@4ax.com>, T.D. Shadow
<tdshadow@onelink.net> graced the world with this thought:

>c. Tightly manicured bud. The more "non-frosted" plant material you
>cut, the better the overall smoke will be in the long run (and the
>bigger your "b" pile!)

however, leaving some of the material on that you're talking about
removing will help to protect the inner bud in transport and during
storage....

[rubio]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:45:44 GMT in
<1nhssvomlh8575dlelul805d08qu5efdfi@4ax.com>, T.D. Shadow
<tdshadow@onelink.net> graced the world with this thought:

>c. Tightly manicured bud. The more "non-frosted" plant material you
>cut, the better the overall smoke will be in the long run (and the
>bigger your "b" pile!)

however, leaving some of the material on that you're talking about
removing will help to protect the inner bud in transport and during
storage....

[phuck off Jason]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:16:10 that *growin pothead* Agent Jason Rudy
Simpson aka green man aka Moon Dawgie aka placard or Orion aka Satyr
aka Mister Odiferous aka Travlin Jack of the 7yr old pHed scam on adpc;

IMPORTANT: Are you new to adpc? New to being spammed by the narcs?

Don't take my word for it...read what a few of the reg's think of our
sad pHuck resident narkks pH and Moon Dawgie;

From: "BklynTom"
Subject: Re: advanced nutrients voodoo juice
Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:58:00

>Well, Bob, I have news for you. I am not here to get along with
>boneheads like pH and Moon Dawgie. It is beneath my dignity to do so.
>I have no use for the arrogance they display.
>They're into the big indoor production scene, and they would
>like to imagine that nobody ever grew good pot without a 1,000 watt
>sodium lamp and a hydroponic setup. Meanwhile, people post here with
>questions about whiteflies or how to wire a ballast, and these bozos
>don't have a fucken clue but that never stops them from spouting
>bullshit replies anyway. So, I read their posts, but I fundamentally
>don't respect them.

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:53:25 -0800, Charlie Wilkes wrote:

>These guys think they own this bandwidth. They have some kind of
>killfile script that they distribute to their tiny clique so its
>members only see messages posted by their friends. Ergo the group is
>half dead.
>
>I love how Moon Dawgie keeps insisting that he is not a regular poster
>anymore, but he posts more than anyone else. He also makes a point of
>plonking anyone he doesn't know unless they kiss his pathetic ass.

Hey Newbies all these guys are Agents Wendi or Jason Simpson.

greenman pH Sunny emesis Satyr nft Moon Dawgie TacoDog Roam8 chronic
Myself Travlin Jack Agrippa Lucas Zowie Index Sweet Leaf iguana
Krackker Jackk Old Ketchup Lungs Himself GW

LURK and get anon before hitting this newsgroup...'tis a dangerous
place



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[phuck off Jason]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:16:10 that *growin pothead* Agent Jason Rudy
Simpson aka green man aka Moon Dawgie aka placard or Orion aka Satyr
aka Mister Odiferous aka Travlin Jack of the 7yr old pHed scam on adpc;

IMPORTANT: Are you new to adpc? New to being spammed by the narcs?

Don't take my word for it...read what a few of the reg's think of our
sad pHuck resident narkks pH and Moon Dawgie;

From: "BklynTom"
Subject: Re: advanced nutrients voodoo juice
Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:58:00

>Well, Bob, I have news for you. I am not here to get along with
>boneheads like pH and Moon Dawgie. It is beneath my dignity to do so.
>I have no use for the arrogance they display.
>They're into the big indoor production scene, and they would
>like to imagine that nobody ever grew good pot without a 1,000 watt
>sodium lamp and a hydroponic setup. Meanwhile, people post here with
>questions about whiteflies or how to wire a ballast, and these bozos
>don't have a fucken clue but that never stops them from spouting
>bullshit replies anyway. So, I read their posts, but I fundamentally
>don't respect them.

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:53:25 -0800, Charlie Wilkes wrote:

>These guys think they own this bandwidth. They have some kind of
>killfile script that they distribute to their tiny clique so its
>members only see messages posted by their friends. Ergo the group is
>half dead.
>
>I love how Moon Dawgie keeps insisting that he is not a regular poster
>anymore, but he posts more than anyone else. He also makes a point of
>plonking anyone he doesn't know unless they kiss his pathetic ass.

Hey Newbies all these guys are Agents Wendi or Jason Simpson.

greenman pH Sunny emesis Satyr nft Moon Dawgie TacoDog Roam8 chronic
Myself Travlin Jack Agrippa Lucas Zowie Index Sweet Leaf iguana
Krackker Jackk Old Ketchup Lungs Himself GW

LURK and get anon before hitting this newsgroup...'tis a dangerous
place



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[Charlie Wilkes]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:16:10 GMT, moondoggie@xyzxyzxyz.com (Moon
Doggie) wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:50:58 GMT, Charlie Wilkes
><charlie_wilkes@easynews.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:13:57 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>much obliged
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>If you don't want to wait a year for that first, deliciously cured
>>toke, you can put your fresh-cut weed in a paper bag in a warm room
>>and it will be ready in about two weeks.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>
>Heat is the enemy of pot. Two weeks in the fridge will be fine, as
>long as you take it out twice a day and open it up to the fresh air
>for a few minutes, to allow accumulated gases to escape..
>
>Keep on truckin'
>- Moon Doggie -
>
I'll give it a try and let you know what I think.

Charlie

[Charlie Wilkes]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:16:10 GMT, moondoggie@xyzxyzxyz.com (Moon
Doggie) wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:50:58 GMT, Charlie Wilkes
><charlie_wilkes@easynews.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:13:57 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>much obliged
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>If you don't want to wait a year for that first, deliciously cured
>>toke, you can put your fresh-cut weed in a paper bag in a warm room
>>and it will be ready in about two weeks.
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>
>Heat is the enemy of pot. Two weeks in the fridge will be fine, as
>long as you take it out twice a day and open it up to the fresh air
>for a few minutes, to allow accumulated gases to escape..
>
>Keep on truckin'
>- Moon Doggie -
>
I'll give it a try and let you know what I think.

Charlie

[Ace]

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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003, charlie_wilkes@easynews.com wrote:
- ->On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:16:10 GMT, moondoggie@xyzxyzxyz.com (Moon
- ->Doggie) wrote:
- ->
- ->>On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:50:58 GMT, Charlie Wilkes
- ->><charlie_wilkes@easynews.com> wrote:
- ->>
- ->>>On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:13:57 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
- ->>>wrote:
- ->>>
- ->>>>much obliged
- ->>>>
- ->>>>Tom
- ->>>>
- ->>>If you don't want to wait a year for that first, deliciously cured
- ->>>toke, you can put your fresh-cut weed in a paper bag in a warm room
- ->>>and it will be ready in about two weeks.
- ->>>
- ->>>Charlie
- ->>>
- ->>
- ->>Heat is the enemy of pot. Two weeks in the fridge will be fine, as
- ->>long as you take it out twice a day and open it up to the fresh air
- ->>for a few minutes, to allow accumulated gases to escape..
- ->>
- ->>Keep on truckin'
- ->>- Moon Doggie -
- ->>
- ->I'll give it a try and let you know what I think.
- ->
- ->Charlie

BklynTom, I think a little more is in order.

#1. Fresh plant, and I'll assume we're talking just cut and manicured pot
#has an average of at least 70% water. So green weight trimmed bud will
#shrink by over 7/10's when cured.

#2. Mold grows fastest on dead plant material when its warm and most,
#exactly the environment inside a paper bag in a warm room in most cases.
#But, if you put a single layer in a paper bag, the bag would wick away
#moisture, but if you filled the bag, there would be a ball of moldy pot in
#the middle. Best to stick with little bags.

#3. And for the life of me, I find the instructions of tending the bag
#twice a day for two weeks too tedious and questionable. First, no room in
#my fridge for a bale and I'm not going through all that work for less
#volume. And second, normal room temperature isn't going to change the
#quality of the dope in two weeks or two months, maybe in two years.

#4. You didn't ask about curing pot. But, if you had, here's my two cents
#on it. The best thing would be if you had a space you could string some
#20# mono fish line from wall to wall in a dark room. Then when you trim
#your buds, leaf a central stick about 6" long and hang the sticks on the
#line by a bud or I like paperclips opened up like ornament hangers. It
#could be a closet or even in a box, but the temp should be 75F or less,
#but the lower the temp, the slower the cure. A fan will help if you
#actually harvested the stuff in the rain or something to prevent or stop
#any mold. I would rather smoke microwaved pot than loose a batch to mold,
#so balances must be observed.Finally, to determine doneness, weigh a
#sample of each manicuring session with a good scale that will get you to
#1/10's of a gram or less. Powder scales are pretty good. Use the biggest
#bud ie. the longest curing bud for the sample weighing. Take weights each
#day until you get the same reading two days in a row (in wet weather, the
#weight will even increase a 0.1g or so. Usually, at room temperature and
#providing the ambient humidity isn't high, this pot will be safe to seal
#in a jar, bag or whatever without fear of molding in 7 to 14 days. And its
#mighty tasty, too ;-)

There are lots of ideas on curing, but these work for me and I always
cringe at the thought of someone destroying their harvest in the final
stages of finishing the smoke.

Ace

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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003, charlie_wilkes@easynews.com wrote:
- ->On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:16:10 GMT, moondoggie@xyzxyzxyz.com (Moon
- ->Doggie) wrote:
- ->
- ->>On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:50:58 GMT, Charlie Wilkes
- ->><charlie_wilkes@easynews.com> wrote:
- ->>
- ->>>On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 23:13:57 GMT, "BklynTom" <bklyn_tom@msn.com>
- ->>>wrote:
- ->>>
- ->>>>much obliged
- ->>>>
- ->>>>Tom
- ->>>>
- ->>>If you don't want to wait a year for that first, deliciously cured
- ->>>toke, you can put your fresh-cut weed in a paper bag in a warm room
- ->>>and it will be ready in about two weeks.
- ->>>
- ->>>Charlie
- ->>>
- ->>
- ->>Heat is the enemy of pot. Two weeks in the fridge will be fine, as
- ->>long as you take it out twice a day and open it up to the fresh air
- ->>for a few minutes, to allow accumulated gases to escape..
- ->>
- ->>Keep on truckin'
- ->>- Moon Doggie -
- ->>
- ->I'll give it a try and let you know what I think.
- ->
- ->Charlie

BklynTom, I think a little more is in order.

#1. Fresh plant, and I'll assume we're talking just cut and manicured pot
#has an average of at least 70% water. So green weight trimmed bud will
#shrink by over 7/10's when cured.

#2. Mold grows fastest on dead plant material when its warm and most,
#exactly the environment inside a paper bag in a warm room in most cases.
#But, if you put a single layer in a paper bag, the bag would wick away
#moisture, but if you filled the bag, there would be a ball of moldy pot in
#the middle. Best to stick with little bags.

#3. And for the life of me, I find the instructions of tending the bag
#twice a day for two weeks too tedious and questionable. First, no room in
#my fridge for a bale and I'm not going through all that work for less
#volume. And second, normal room temperature isn't going to change the
#quality of the dope in two weeks or two months, maybe in two years.

#4. You didn't ask about curing pot. But, if you had, here's my two cents
#on it. The best thing would be if you had a space you could string some
#20# mono fish line from wall to wall in a dark room. Then when you trim
#your buds, leaf a central stick about 6" long and hang the sticks on the
#line by a bud or I like paperclips opened up like ornament hangers. It
#could be a closet or even in a box, but the temp should be 75F or less,
#but the lower the temp, the slower the cure. A fan will help if you
#actually harvested the stuff in the rain or something to prevent or stop
#any mold. I would rather smoke microwaved pot than loose a batch to mold,
#so balances must be observed.Finally, to determine doneness, weigh a
#sample of each manicuring session with a good scale that will get you to
#1/10's of a gram or less. Powder scales are pretty good. Use the biggest
#bud ie. the longest curing bud for the sample weighing. Take weights each
#day until you get the same reading two days in a row (in wet weather, the
#weight will even increase a 0.1g or so. Usually, at room temperature and
#providing the ambient humidity isn't high, this pot will be safe to seal
#in a jar, bag or whatever without fear of molding in 7 to 14 days. And its
#mighty tasty, too ;-)

There are lots of ideas on curing, but these work for me and I always
cringe at the thought of someone destroying their harvest in the final
stages of finishing the smoke.

Ace

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